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Fabio Manganiello
@fabio@manganiello.eu  ·  activity timestamp last week

#Android is dead and we’d better all leave the ship before it sinks entirely.

Earlier this year #Google already took bold steps in moving the development of several AOSP components behind closed doors, removing the open-source foundations of the project one component at the time.

Options to unlock bootloaders on Android devices are also narrowing down. Xiaomi removed the ability to unlock the bootloader entirely in MIUI in August (after months spent making it ridiculously difficult), same for OnePlus, Samsung did so in July, and probably Google devices will soon follow suit.

And let’s not mention the nightmare of the Play Integrity API that forces all Android developers to register through the Play Store and use Google’s signing keys, even if they don’t intend to distribute their apps through it.

Sure, officially Google has taken a step back and has pledged to provide a way for developers and power-users to bypass those restrictions. But we can all expect it to be a cumbersome and change-prone process filled with ridiculous amounts of frictions at every step - and I wouldn’t even expect such a morally bankrupt company to keep maintaining this “sideloading” option.

Google once competed with Apple for customers. But in a world where Google walks away from the biggest antitrust trial since 1998 with yet another slap on the wrist, competition is dead, and Google is taking notes from Apple about what they can legally get away with. And the EU, the biggest opposer of its anti-competitive acts, is also becoming softer with Big Tech - both because Vestager has left the job, and because being soft with trillion-dollar monopolist tech titans is seen as a sign of being “technologically competitive”.

Your best bet is to purchase a Pixel 9a now, before more manufacturers decide to block bootloaders, and immediately flash it with #GrapheneOS.

The long term plan would instead be to throw all of our efforts and energies on Linux phones. The folks at GrapheneOS are doing an amazing job and fighting against all kind of pressures, but at some point we should probably all just acknowledge that anything that is tainted with Android, or runs on a device intended only to run Android, is a liability, and we should no longer build solutions on top of hardware and software that we can no longer trust.

Sailfish, PostmarketOS, UBPorts, MeeGo or whatever comes next must succeed. No matter the cost.

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Cyberlyra
@cyberlyra@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@fabio i've been on Sailfish for years and it is fantastic and truly fully operational. Also EU sovereign tech and the inheritors of the old Nokia smartphone OS. It works for all kinds of apps including needing nfc. I know exactly where my data is.

It runs on Sony Xperia open hardware the best but they also have a Community phone made in the EU and several ports to things like Fairphone and other handsets.

Check it out.

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Zenie
@Zenie@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@cyberlyra @fabio
I wanted to like sailfish. The fact that it is closed source is a NO for me.
That it it's interface uses Qt and is icon based with no alternative is also a No.

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Cyberlyra
@cyberlyra@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@Zenie Well, I wanted to like GrapheneOS, and Calyx, and many others, but the fact that they only run on Google hardware and rely on Android is a No for me too. Guess we will all have to wait for the perfect to stop being the enemy of the good. In the meanwhile I still recommend them heartily to all who follow me and are looking for data sovereignty.

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Zahox
@zahox@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 9 hours ago

@cyberlyra @Zenie
GrapheneOS does not rely on Google. They support devices which are secure and meet their requirements, which are not high. And GrapheneOS is working with an OEM to support them 2027. So an alternative to Google. Android is the most secure and private one and it's open source. GrapheneOS is a Linux distro. Waiting or using insecure devices, don't get you anything. You recommend insecure devices and software, which is dangerous. There is no data sovereignity at all with those.

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Zenie
@Zenie@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@cyberlyra
I understand. I appreciate your recommendation.
It does add to what I know of Sailfish.

I'm thinking to try postmarket or UB ports.

My biggest problem with Sailfish on the surface is that it has icons and there is no good way to get rid of them. I still don't like that it's proprietary.
But we are choosing between evils.

I've been icon free for too long and I can't go back.
I hate android really. It's just a Linux that had its capabilities removed.

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GrapheneOS
@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cyberlyra @fabio SailfishOS is closed source, unlike the Android Open Source Project which remains open source. The latest major release (Android 16 QPR2) was fully pushed to the Android Open Source Project yesterday. SailfishOS does not release the source code for the majority of what they've built. SailfishOS has substantially worse privacy and security than Android. It doesn't have good app compatibility with the apps people want to use or the usability/functionality they expect either.

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Cyberlyra
@cyberlyra@hachyderm.io replied  ·  activity timestamp 5 days ago

@GrapheneOS @fabio Hello! Only a SMALL fraction of SFOS is closed source to enable them to build a business in car OS's and stay afloat in the face of large 800 pound gorillas. It does NOT have worse privacy and seurity than Android.

I understand there are a lot of purity tests in F/OSS. I also understand that these communities link openness, security and privacy in a way that is incontrovertible to adherents even if these issues are not binaries in real life. All communities have their ideologies. But when FOSS and alt-tech groups end up eating each other instead of supporting other worthy projects (and in this case, a fully functional project) in the ecosystem, that only ensures you all go extinct and that only the carnivores win.

We should be building each other up, not tearing each other down.

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GrapheneOS
@GrapheneOS@grapheneos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@cyberlyra @fabio

> Only a SMALL fraction of SFOS is closed source

No, this is extremely inaccurate. Most of the OS code that's specific to SailfishOS is closed source. It's the parts which come from elsewhere and aren't specific to it which aren't closed source. It's absolutely mostly closed source as a project.

> It does NOT have worse privacy and seurity than Android.

SailfishOS objectively has extremely poor privacy and security compared to the Android Open Source Project. It's a fact.

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Joshua Graves
@joshua@hooray.computer replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@cyberlyra @GrapheneOS @fabio echoing the building everyone up part, those gorillas will tear us apart if given half a chance.

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