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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

Something that could make Mastodon safer and more pleasant to use would be reply controls.

This would optionally allow users to specify who can reply to their posts, so that people who experience abusive replies from bigots, trolls etc can pre-emptively prevent that happening.

It would also give people a middle option between follower-only posts and public posts.

If you're comfortable using Github, you can vote for this by giving a thumbs up at https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/14762

#MastoAdmin #Mastodon

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Dawn Ahukanna
@dahukanna@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp last week
@homegrown
There was an entire paid app for Twitter that addressed the various intersecting sets of exposure to bad actors in Twitter called block party - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_Party_(company).
Researching their scenarios would be a starting point.

It鈥檚 exhausting seeing the default stance of 鈥淚 individual, don鈥檛 believe this is a collective social issue, as I insist on being convinced by demanding evidence & impact of this abuse vector from the sub-set of people affected. That is what 2dry research is for.

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Grow Your Own Services 馃尡
@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp last week

@dahukanna

Thanks, that's really useful! 馃檹

And yeah, definitely not asking victims to do all the work!

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@rezad@mstdn.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown

Believe it or not, an Iranian social media platform I am a user of (virasty.com) , has this feature.

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Grow Your Own Services 馃尡
@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@rezad

The proposal is that it would have options for:

-No replies
-Replies by mentioned accounts
-Replies by followers
-Replies by everyone

People would be able to choose for each post who can reply.

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乇囟丕
@rezad@mstdn.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown
That's great.
Especially the "mentioned ones" .

But is there an option for followed too?
It is a weak connection I know, but can be used as a way to include the people that the poster accepts as good people because he follows them.
Though I am not sure if it is a great addition or even useful.

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Grow Your Own Services 馃尡
@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@rezad

Sorry, I must have missed this! There's no option for it in current proposal but it's an interesting suggestion 馃憤

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An隇嚸砳n 脫 B.
@barcode@mastodon.ie replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown

Some comments really indicate a struggle to engage with the concept that in creating an online post, said poster has some social obligation to entertain replies using the same channel.

That specific obligation doesn't exist.

Even in matters of mods wanting to contact another instance's mods to raise an issue, defederation exists as a (heavy handed) solution.

Other people's attention has always been a privilege that can be meaningfully withdrawn to deter nuisances.

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Cheeki
@calinpristavu@phpc.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown Yes, I too feel I lack the tools to easily construct my echo chamber 馃槄
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Matt Godden
@metaning@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown from a experiential perspective, what's the difference between controls to prevent someone replying to your post, and muting or blocking the person replying, so you don't see their replies?

Is it about preventing *other* people from seeing replies to your post by someone to whom you object?

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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@metaning

Partly about stopping abuse being attached to threads, but also preventing having to see the abuse in the first place.

This has been one of the most requested features from black and other non-white members of the Fedi, and they are getting the kind of abuse that white members don't. I saw some of these posts after they were reported and they were sickening.

The abusers also sometimes exploit the followers-only post visibility so others don't see the abuse but the victim does.

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Matt Godden
@metaning@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown Yeah, I guess not having that experience, my natural inclination is concern that mechanisms to; prevent posts being quoted, and preventing replies to posts, creates an almost tailor-made platform for astroturfing / PR, etc.
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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@metaning

Yeah, it's a risk but (IMHO) abuse currently experienced by non-white Fedi members is more serious problem.

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gkrnours
@gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown an issue with how things work is you cannot prevent a bad actor from writing reply and distributing said reply. This need extra work when conpared to bluesky, probably tooling to spot bad actor who ignore reply settings, warn them then ban/defederate if they persist. But that's extra moderation tooling and mastodon is notoriously bad with moderation tooling.
It's a good idea, I wish it would be done, it's not easy.
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Stefan Scholl
@Stefan_S_from_H@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown every software in the Fediverse would need to support this feature. The protocol would need to be changed, and every implementation has to conform to the feature.

If the reply control information gets attached to a message, every software would have to be able to understand this information and act accordingly. Every client, every server implementation.

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Grow Your Own Services 馃尡
@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago

@Stefan_S_from_H

It would be a big task and this is discussed in detail by one of the main developers (ClearlyClaire) in several parts of the linked issue, but they also seem to think it is important and doable.

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snornik
@snornik@techhub.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown @Stefan_S_from_H even if not all would support this. it could be abused by authoritarian govs hosting their own server and want to dictate public viewed opinion (replies/posts) of the masses... this is thought history that this is a bad idea. i beg you please don't give them an easy option for this. it will be abused. there is no question bout it. while it prevents not much (single idiots who you could report/block/silence). The cause and consequences just don't align.
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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@snornik

Switching off replies on a social media post is not the same thing at all as silencing critics.

Silencing critics would be interfering in what people post about the government, silencing accounts critical about the government etc and that is nothing to do with whether people can switch off replies.

Governments can already do the equivalent of no replies by just publishing info on a website, which is where most people see government info anyway.

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snornik
@snornik@techhub.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown it is because the most ppl. read the gov social media posts and check the replies. not what someone with 10 followers posts. even if they post a critical post on a separate website, no one reads it. but if they post on mastodon. replies matter alot!
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Kevin Russell
@kevinrns@mstdn.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown

Nah. Blocking and muting are fine.

If it came from twiter its not Scottish.

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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@kevinrns

From talking with people who experience e.g. racist replies, I think it could really help Mastodon grow if there was at least this option?

No one would have to use it, it would just be there as an option for people who do use it.

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Kevin Russell
@kevinrns@mstdn.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown

But why not report and block?

Not objecting, asking.

First report, have removed, or if necessary block their "moderated by bigots" instance.

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snornik
@snornik@techhub.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown i don't think thats a good idea to be honest. cause governments use fedi/mastodon and they would just block everything to fitting the current gov and actually silencing the opposing voices against something like EU-Chatcontrol for example.
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snornik
@snornik@techhub.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown which basically is the same than silencing opposing media. which is illegal in alot of countries for a good reason. So undecided pll. can read both sides.
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Baloo Uriza
@BalooUriza@social.tulsa.ok.us replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown You mean these?

https://social.tulsa.ok.us/@BalooUriza/115333791111589027

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Sraars
@sraars@hippodon.com replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown I think this already exists?

I鈥檓 also tired so may have misread.

A screenshot of a social media platform's privacy settings menu. Options include "Everyone," "Unlisted," "Followers," and "Private," each with a brief description of visibility. A cartoon character is displayed in the top left corner.
A screenshot of a social media platform's privacy settings menu. Options include "Everyone," "Unlisted," "Followers," and "Private," each with a brief description of visibility. A cartoon character is displayed in the top left corner.
A screenshot of a social media platform's privacy settings menu. Options include "Everyone," "Unlisted," "Followers," and "Private," each with a brief description of visibility. A cartoon character is displayed in the top left corner.
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@homegrown@social.growyourown.services replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@sraars

That's something slightly different, those are post visibility options. They let you choose who can see the post.

The reply controls would just be about who can reply to the post.

Some people want to be able to post in public without replies from abusers etc, and the reply controls combined with visibility controls would allow this.

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snornik
@snornik@techhub.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown @sraars i don't think that a good idea to be honest. cause governments use fedi/mastodon and they would just block everything to fitting the current gov actually silencing the voice against something like EU-Chatcontrol for example.
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@thomasjwebb@mastodon.social replied  路  activity timestamp 2 weeks ago
@homegrown the lack of this feature is part of why many Threads users have federation turned off (they can't use Threads' reply controls feature with it on) and why many bsky users don't enable the bridge.
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