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@Hex@kolektiva.social  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

Some leftists have criticized #NoKingsDay2 as useless. Though it was the largest protest in US history, it didn't change anything. I would go further to say that protests like these generally won't change anything. Dictators aren't forced to step down by 2% of the population coming out for one day. If they're forced to step down by protests, those protests are sustained. They are every single day. They are accompanied by general strikes.

We've been watching that happen all over the world. Portland in 2020 gave us a taste of that in the US. The George Floyd Rebellion was the type of resistance that actually brings down dictators like Trump. Occasional protests, no matter how large, can simply be ignored. That is precisely the reason the US developed a militarized police force in the first place. You need more, more than the largest protests in US history, more than Occupy, more than the resistance of the 60's and 70's, more than, and different from, anything we've seen in our lives.

And yet... Each protest has grown, and grown bolder. Some have grown more persistent. If you think of protest as the path to achieve change, you will lose. It is not. But it is a path to escalate. Some people, some otherwise comfortable white folks, came out for their first time. Some people got pepper sprayed for the first time. Some people questioned authority, stood up for the first time, and have had an experience that will radicalize them for the rest of their lives.

Protest is not useful in and of itself. It is training. It's making connections. Authoritarian regimes rely on the illusion of compliance, so visual resistance does actually undermine their power.

Liberals like to teach that non-violence is all about staying peaceful no matter what, that there's some way that morality simply overwhelms an enemy. I remember reading Langston Hughes' A Dream Deferred in high school. I said it was a threat. My teacher said, "you're wrong, he was a pacifist." Pacifism is a threat. If you can spit at me, beat me, shoot me, and I will not move, if I have the strength to absorb violence without flinching, without even rising to violence, what will happen when you push me too far?

What happens to a dream deferred?

Does it dry up
like a raisin in the sun?
Or fester like a sore—
And then run?
Does it stink like rotten meat?
Or crust and sugar over—
like a syrupy sweet?

Maybe it just sags
like a heavy load.

Or does it explode?

For peaceful resistance to work, there must be ambiguity. It must not be clear if or when the resistance will stop being peaceful. Peaceful resistance with no possibility of escalation is just cowardice.

My critique then is not so harsh as some other anarchists. If you think that protest alone will work, you're probably going to lose. If you are prepared to escalate, if you are prepared to absorb violence without flinching, then it could be possible for protest alone to topple the dictator. The cracks are already beginning to show.

And then what?

The problems that lead to the George Floyd uprising were never resolved. The problems that lead to Occupy where never resolve. The DAPL was built, protesters were maimed, it leaked multiple times (exactly as predicted). Segregation never went away, it only changed forms. The fact that immigrants have different courts and different rights means that anyone can be arbitrarily kidnaped and renditioned to an arbitrary country. We never did anything about the torture black site. FFS, people can still be stripped of their voting rights and slavery is still legal in the US. The people who control both parties in the US are killing our children and grand children with oil wars and climate change.

Toppling the dictator does nothing to resolve all of the problems that existed before him.

No, #NoKingsDay was absolutely not useless. #NoKings and related protests are extremely useful but they aren't sufficient. But, I think we still need to challenge the movement on two points:

How do you escalate after you're ignored or brutalized?
What do you demand after you win?

#USPol

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Zach M
@Iamsaltytrash@retro.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Hex we’re still protesting every day in Portland at the ice building and not stopping till they’re gone

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hex
@Hex@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Iamsaltytrash Y'all are fucking awesome. I hope you end up 2-0 against that orange bastard.

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hex
@Hex@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

It's also worth challenging other anarchists and leftists. A lot of the folks going to these protests imagine themselves on the same side (even when they support the systems of oppression we oppose, even when they don't get that statements like "laws are real" are defenses of fascism not a rejections of it). Liberals espouse values and fail to live up to them. How do we help them close the gap between what they say they believe and the actions they take?

After decades of telling them what's going to happen and then having it happen, now that they're finally starting to see the world we've been yelling about, how do we turn "I fucking told you" into an invitation?

People don't like to lie. Cognitive dissonance doesn't feel good. There are people who are feeling it now, people who've never felt it in this way before. How do we help them resolve it?

How do we best use this opportunity to invite people, to open up to those who've always wanted to be with us but never believed that a better world is possible?

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Katrina Katrinka :donor:
@katrinakatrinka@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Hex
A really good read for these questions, if you like books, is "If We Burn
The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution" by Vincent Bevins.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/if-we-burn-the-mass-protest-decade-and-the-missing-revolution-vincent-bevins/6a21f252866e70a4?ean=9781541788978&next=t&

Bookshop.org

If We Burn: The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution

The Mass Protest Decade and the Missing Revolution
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hex
@Hex@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@katrinakatrinka I think I've run across this a few times. I'm gonna have to add it to my list. Thanks for the recommendation. :)

Edit:
It's probably also referencing Micah White's "The End of Protest." I think he had some good points and possibly a useful path. Personally though, my *must read* is always Abdullah Öclean's "Democratic Confederalism" and Bookchin's "The Next Revolution" since those are the current books that are laying the groundwork for the current wave of revolutions around the world.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-next-revolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/abdullah-ocalan-democratic-confederalism

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Matty Roses
@mattyroses@librarysocialism.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Hex I see so much of Russia 1905 in the George Floyd protests. The anger and desire for change was there, but had nowhere to go.

Which means we better damn well be making a 1917. I just don't see that unfortunately yet happening. Nobody I know of is yet pushing people to ask What Is To Be Done?

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yianiris
@yianiris@kafeneio.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

If state capitalism is what you are after then you are in a good path

George Floyd protests had every reason to have a class based consciousness but liberals felt more comfortable with race/ethnicity card than play with class.

Anti-King protests should have had a class link to it, but doesn't, so it is a further drift.

For everyone on the street protesting estimates go between 13 and 30 others being at home in support of the protest, so you do the math.

@mattyroses @Hex

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yianiris
@yianiris@kafeneio.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

It is hard to imagine anti-capitalism growing to more than 1% in the US

It has become part of the national identity to be anti- anti-capitalist (anti-communism that is)

But everytime people go out on the street and see for themselves what and who prevents change .. it can only be a good thing, better than staying at home watching it on CNN/Fox/MSNbc

"The revolution will not be televised"

@mattyroses @Hex

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hex
@Hex@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@yianiris @mattyroses I mean, you say that but there's almost no one who doesn't think Luigi is (allegedly) a hero. We, leftists, are failing to help folks start to see the connection. Everything that dominates the conversation is trivially linked to the oligarchy. Everyone knows the oligarchy exists.

This should be pretty easy. Maybe part of the problem is that we preemptively give up or criticize, and we miss our opportunity to invite and educate.

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Matty Roses
@mattyroses@librarysocialism.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@yianiris @Hex If I understand what you're saying here, it's that the only benefit of No Kings is that it brings people to protests which will radicalize them?

I don't disagree - I'm a dirty commie in a large part because I was getting gassed protesting the Iraq War.

But with that in mind, critiques from the left of #nokings are vital, to help radicalize those people that show up there but don't see the larger picture yet.

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hex
@Hex@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@mattyroses I definitely hope we do better than 1917 Russia. I'm afraid that this is where we'll go if we allow ourselves to be absorbed by anger at what has been done to us rather than by a hope of what we can build.

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Matty Roses
@mattyroses@librarysocialism.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@Hex I think the problems came after 1917, if that makes sense. But I'm only talking about in context of revolution, not the aftermath.

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