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Cory Doctorow
@pluralistic@mamot.fr  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

I get email.

An email whose subject line is "enshittification" and whose body reads "Why did you choose such a fucking dumb word to describe such a brutally important concept? "
An email whose subject line is "enshittification" and whose body reads "Why did you choose such a fucking dumb word to describe such a brutally important concept? "
An email whose subject line is "enshittification" and whose body reads "Why did you choose such a fucking dumb word to describe such a brutally important concept? "
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Paul L
@polx@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic That could be an alternative formulation: Les Singes (Jacques Brel, early 60es).

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Jens Finkhäuser
@jens@social.finkhaeuser.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic You can always reply that it's the dictionary: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/enshittification

enshittification

1. the process of a product or service, especially one connected with the…
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Jay Grant 🏳️‍⚧️
@mxjaygrant@triangletoot.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic if author, why use word? why no grunt

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Olivier Mehani
@shtrom@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic I was just thinking about this, and realised the sender didn't realise their luck you weren't Australian.

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Fredrik Bülow
@fbulow@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic You made me smile - thank you! Please keep the questions coming.

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Punnamaraju Vinayaka Tejas
@PVTejas@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 2 days ago

@pluralistic it's the perfect word though

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Julien :ve: 🔭:python:
@jdlbt@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic The term is perfect, and its French translation "Merdification" sounds great! I even heard hosts and journalists on the very serious Radio-Canada use it on different occasions.

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Kevin Ashworth
@kevinashworth@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I think the term is spot-on and important. That said, I have some squeaky clean people in my life where the conversation would flow so much more easily if we could use a G-rated term. With them, I will say "Crush ICE" not "Fuck ICE". So with them I guess I can also say, "a pretend upgrade that's actually a purposeful downgrade" rather than "enshittification."

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wry
@wry@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic enshitoniceification

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Siv Jones
@siv@mastodon.praxis.red replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic this is so fucking funny.

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Gabriel Viso Carrera
@gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic it's short, graphic, denotes a process and most importantly pretty much everybody associates crap with shit, so looks like a pretty good work to me.

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Andrew Orr
@andrewornot@masto.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Enshitiffication is a perfectly cromulent word

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Leander Lindahl
@leanderlindahl@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic well, the word kept me from learning about the idea it represents for quite a while. It wasn't until the CCC conference video a month ago I listened to you (Cory) the first time and was immediately convinced of the relevance and importance of what you write and talk about.

I guess it sounded like some trendy buzz word (which to some extent is probably the intent – to lean on that mannerism) and I wasn't interested in trendy buzz.

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JR Rickerson :python:
@jrrickerson@fosstodon.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic When I first heard the word:

- I immediately knew it was not corporate marketing jargon.
- I immediately knew it was something negative.
- I immediately knew it was something intense enough that I should probably be paying attention to it.
- I did NOT immediately know what it referred to, and as such wanted to understand it.

Seems like a pretty effective choice to me. 🤷

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Pat
@patrascan@ohai.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic at first I thought the inclusion of "shit" detracted from the seriousness and intellectual vigor of the theory, but now I see where-- given the reception of general population and experts alike--this word does quite the opposite.

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jan ki ära ullrich
@young_ullrich@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic
yeah why do you even choose words cory

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Pax Ahimsa Gethen
@funcrunch@me.dm replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

I remember reading and commenting on the essay where you first used the term #enshittification, on @medium back in November 2022. I doubt you or anyone else realized then how much it would catch on 🙂

https://doctorow.medium.com/social-quitting-1ce85b67b456

Also, happy to see another @thunderbird user. Sadly, Mozilla is becoming enshittified as well.

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hal8999
@hal8999@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic It's the opposite of the 'enhance' trope, even existentially.

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Justin D-Z
@justindz@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic "Transitioning from 'bite the hand that feeds' to 'bite every hand, all the time, don't stop biting'" is too many syllables.

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Ehay2k
@Ehay2k@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Did you reply "6 7" ?

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Samir Al-Battran
@samir@m.fedica.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic
You should tell them it's a German word lol

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Seth of the Fediverse
@phillycodehound@indieweb.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I like the term. I feel it fits.

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MasterLain
@BigGangForEvery1@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic intended obsolescence is the older term for it. It's not a new idea, ppl just act brand new about every fucking thing

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Mx. Chara Aznable (they/them) of Pnictogen
@mxchara@seattle.pink replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Well, why did you choose such a silly word as your central selling point? I must confess that it's the rebuilding which intrigues me far more than the business of things falling apart.

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Scott Williams 🐧
@vwbusguy@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Hey there, fellow Thunderbird user!

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Pseudo Nym
@pseudonym@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

You are a writer. How dare you <checks notes> "choose words."

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Sky-haired Miranda 💙🐙
@miranda_blue@eldritch.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic funny to have someone angrily agree with you 😅

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UltrasonicMadness (he/him)
@UltrasonicMadness@mastodon.me.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I completely agree with the email. "Enshittification" is a term I would have come up at the age of 14 during a period of heightened teenage angst, while still trying to sound far more intelligent than I would have been. It is completely unsuited to a problem this serious and ubiquitous. What's wrong with "platform decay" as listed on the @wikipedia article?

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Clare Hooley
@clare_hooley@mastodon.me.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic must admit, I prefer to avoid the swear word in some contexts, but in those rare context I just go for platform decay. No big deal.

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Curious Badger
@curiousbadger@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic didn't even spell it right.

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katzenberger
@katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

"I got tired of waiting for your brilliant alternative. Just checked my spam folder, and it wasn't there, either."

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Netraven
@Netraven@hear-me.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I'd reply (jokingly) with a message about how "well, it beat out corporate-auto-erotic-asphyxiation so I think enshittification is the lesser of two weevils"

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pgmota
@pgmota@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I personally think it's prety good, reflects exactly that tech engineering, business strategy, unthinkable amount of money or/and the "best minds of the world that resides silicon valley" are doing nothing but shitty products. In Brazil we say merdificação or bostificação

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DeanC
@DeanC@ecoevo.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I kind of like "Zerscheißigung" for the German version.

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leckse
@leckse@social.leckse.net replied  ·  activity timestamp 22 hours ago

@DeanC @pluralistic Why not Zerscheißung?

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M1ke
@m1ke@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic the other day my daughter asked me "daddy, are all words made up" and she's definitely wiser than this person

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Manuèle Ducret
@Filambulle@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I like that it is very translatable, at least in French.
We already had emmerder (verb), emmerdeur-se (noun for a person), emmerdant (adjectif) emmerdement (noun for an event) and now emmerdification (noun for a deliberate process) is the perfect addition to the family.
A very traditional and proper way to enrich our languages.

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McPoops
@McPoops@jawnuffin.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic personally, I love the word. It perfectly describes the situation and it catches attention so people don't just ignore it.

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Em :v_bi:
@farah@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic They’re just jealous they didn’t come up with it sooner

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Leonid
@leonid@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic „why did you choose such a fucking dumb word and not something more polite, you asshole“ 😂

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Iwillyeah
@Iwillyeah@mastodon.ie replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic he must just hate swearing.

Wait...

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Sean Eric Fagan
@kithrup@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic It's a perfectly cromulent word, someone just needs to embiggen their vocabulary.

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Charlie Stross
@cstross@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@kithrup @pluralistic Mind you I want the abbreviation e13n to catch on, if only to make it easier to keep to character limits on social media accounts

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Patrys
@patrys@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@cstross @kithrup @pluralistic Technically, isn't it e14n? I kind of wish it was shorter, so the abbreviation became e10n 🙃

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𝐉𝐨𝐧 𝐁𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐞𝐫
@jonberger@sfba.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@cstross @kithrup @pluralistic Or e14n if you spell it right, which the author of that email didn't.

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Paul J Wege
@makeratschool@kanoa.de replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic https://inv.nadeko.net/watch?v=PTsSk0r_Tq8

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Anchinya
@anchinya@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic enshittification works well

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Mr. Lance E Sloan (IRL) 👤
@sloanlance@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic
They're not entirely wrong. I would've used "fuckitallupified".

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VampirePenguin
@VampirePenguin@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic You really have to have a high opinion of yourself to email an author with such low effort criticism. Why not just impotently whine on socials like a normal person?

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GutterPoetry
@GutterPoetry@mastodon.me.uk replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Yeah craphound, of all the words you could have chosen... Jeez

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sndein
@sndein@mastodon.gamedev.place replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic "because it's accurate"

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Jess Fairbairn
@JessFairbairn@aoir.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic the fact it's caught on means it was the right word

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Mad Engineering
@madengineering@mastodon.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Honestly the verbiage makes sense.

"The chocolate cream in our product is so expensive, why can't we use dog poo instead?"
"Trust me, the customers will never know the difference."
blobfacepalm

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xs4me2
@xs4me2@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Enfuckification then?

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xs4me2
@xs4me2@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Enfuckification then?

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Gabriele Marcosanti :opensuse:
@gmarcosanti@mastodon.uno replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic answer: because God told me so.

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Stephen Cox Author
@stephenwhq@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

I think it is a great word because it starts the conversation and it's deservedly angry

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jer
@jerrej@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Why did you write that book "Do Not Build The Torment Nexus?

Now nobody wants to use my #tormentnexus !

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Leni
@leni@todon.eu replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Though does the term not do exact justice to the phenomenon described? The author of this e-mail should acknowledge that.

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reep
@reep@troet.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Can't think of many cases, where wording hits meaning as good as here.

Maybe we need a latinized Version, to enable entry into science speak? 🤪 Might that soothe spirits?

Proposing: >> merdificatio << ... with additional enhancement of merdificatio maior... for best enshittification by our much beloved big platforms.

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ancilevien74
@ancilevien74@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Maybe for the sender enshittification is a *good* thing and he simply does not understand why you have coined a *bad* word for it?

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Chad :mstdn:
@chad@mstdn.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Sounds to me like fan mail and that you've hit the nail on the head.

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Konstantin Macher
@pneutig@eupolicy.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic
The irony of not minding the domainname of your mailserver at the same time when sending that feedback 😂

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Rui Carmo
@rcarmo@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic @cstross that is a very eloquent, completely pre-enshittification honest-to-$DIVINITY email. No notes.

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Hugs4friends ♾🇺🇦 🇵🇸😷
@Tooden@aus.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I think it's the perfect word.

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Nicole Parsons
@Npars01@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Scalzi's approach was to grade his hate mail for grammar, spelling, & cogency.

Brilliant!
https://whatever.scalzi.com/2009/10/12/your-hate-mail-will-be-graded-new-edition-jan-10/

Whatever

Your Hate Mail Will Be Graded: New Edition, Jan ’10

I’ve been sitting on this bit of news for a while now, but now is as good a time as any to announce it: Tor Books will be releasing a trade paperback edition of my Hugo-winning essay collecti…
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Fissile
@Fissile@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I keep being amazed by how deeply rooted the fear of supposedly dirty words is in some people.

I see so many who censor their own writing even in private messages. Like, writing f**k instead of fuck.

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Matt ⁂ 🇳🇴 🇺🇦
@matt@oslo.town replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I think this is fan mail. 💌

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James 🦉 #FBPE 🇪🇺
@freequaybuoy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Yeah Cory, like have you even considered regional variations? It's Endumpification in southern England, Enshiteification in the north (shortened from Enbagofshiteification), and Enseeyouseyoumassivejobbyification in Scotland.

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Workshopshed
@Workshopshed@mastodon.scot replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@freequaybuoy @pluralistic am reminded of the Scots translation of The Twitts

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Troed Sångberg
@troed@swecyb.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@freequaybuoy

fwiw even the Swedish public media has gone with "förskitning" as the translation to use and it really rolls of the tongue here :D

@pluralistic

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Krazov
@Krazov@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@troed @freequaybuoy @pluralistic Polish language has a couple of attempts here. One is "enszitifikacja," which is a straight cliche. The other one is "gównowacenie," which is a transaltion. But the best one is "gównia pochyła," which is a play on words with "równia pochyła" (slippery slope), where "slope" is tranformed into "shit." The rationale is that once you're on it, you just roll down, and there's no going back.

(I also saw "rozpierdoszana," but I don't even know how to explain it. :D)

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Neo Ehproque
@ehproque@neopaquita.es replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic maybe they should take a look at your domain name and reflect

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surdfish
@surdfish@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Not to be confused with enshittfiction, which is just past the non-enshittfiction section.

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noots
@ypislon@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic missed chance to criticize the term for being shitty

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Sebastian Gießmann
@sebgiessmann@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic This word is just right.

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7heo@mastodon.sdf.org
@7heo@mastodon.sdf.org replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic

Because "emmerdement" already existed.

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Bob
@thinkl33t@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic tell them they can call it e13n if they want to be cool about it

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Stephen Paulger
@aimaz@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic do they propose alternatives or just complain about the one that people understand?

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Ulrich O.
@obucate@bildung.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Love the language of this one.

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CynAq🤘
@CynAq@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic warning: no one take branding advice from this person.

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Mark Daniels-Wr. 🟢
@MarkDW@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic I suppose you could reduce or abbreviate it to "nshitt" for the modern reader, or "etm" for the classically inclined? Perhaps the lad has a point even if missing an i?

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Trolli Schmittlauch 🦥
@schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic “The enshittification of important concept terminology, exhibit 1.”

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Michael
@implementcontrols@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Maybe this person forgot to put this through their AI business speak translator. But to me the word is perfect as it sounds accurate upon first hearing it.

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Pepijn
@Pepijn@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

Enshittfication is like enshittification on steroids!

(or concentrated prune juice really)

@pluralistic

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Paddy
@PaGn@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic
Maybe just jealous you coined the defining word of the 21st Century?
#enshitification

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Jonas Heide Smith
@jonassmith@theforkiverse.com replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic Why do you choose some words and not others?!

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lobingera
@lobingera@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 3 days ago

@pluralistic this is the way

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