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p.s. You can stop Bluesky having any connections or interactions with your server by asking your server admin to defederate bsky.brid.gy
If you are a server admin and want help with how to defederate, there's a guide at https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon
"Bluesky – Der Traum ist vorbei"
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@FediTips This affects all ATProtocol servers though, not just bsky.social. I'm sure there's a better solution than blocking a few hundred innocent servers just to get one bad one.
These aren't "servers" in any meaningful sense, they're just part of Bluesky corporation's centralised network which has control of who and what is banned or allowed.
AT Protocol only allows properly independent servers if they're running their own relay, which is very rare and much more difficult and expensive.
Blacksky apparently had to do a lot of work to break free from Bluesky, and even after that Bluesky was still able to delete a user from Blacksky.
@FediTips No, a PDS is a server. It stands for "personal data server". It runs its own data store for its own users & interfaces with a relay server to allow others to access that data & see its users' posts. Bluesky does not have control over PDSs that aren't hosted by them. ATProtocol relays are pretty heavy compared to a PDS, but the point is so people can more easily run a PDS for themselves. Anyone can run a relay too if they have the hardware for it, & a few do exist & are not under control of bluesky. We shouldn't be taking moderation action against other PDSs & other relays that are actually well run, only bsky.social & its relay, since those are the problem here & not anyone else.
I haven't heard of Blacksky, but if bluesky could delete a user from it, then that user's account must have been on bsky.social & not Blacksky's PDS.
A PDS is nothing like a Fediverse server.
Fediverse servers are truly independent of each other and can communicate directly. No one controls a Fedi server except its owner.
PDSes cannot communicate with each other, they have to pass all their data through a relay and almost all PDSes are using Bluesky corporation's relay. So, PDSes are not independent the way Fediverse servers are.
"that user's account must have been on bsky.social"
No, it wasn't.
@FediTips This is comparable to adding *.net to your blocklist just because threads.net is unmoderated. Blocking an entire TLD because of one server doesn't make much sense, does it? Neither does blocking an entire protocol just because of one unmoderated PDS & relay.
Block posts from bsky.social, not anyone else unless they're also misbehaving.
p.s. You can stop Bluesky having any connections or interactions with your server by asking your server admin to defederate bsky.brid.gy
If you are a server admin and want help with how to defederate, there's a guide at https://fedi.tips/how-to-defederate-fediblock-a-server-on-mastodon
@FediTips This is an incredibly stupid thing to do on any instance of any serious scale. The entire purpose of the bridge is to enable (opt-in!) interoperability, and there are real people on the other side. Blocking an instance (or in this case bridge server) blindly is an incredibly bad idea because it breaks real connections that matter.
@FediTips thanks for sharing!
@FediTips Isn’t defederation just ‘block and forget’ but on behalf of *everyone* on a server? Isn’t at least part of the *point* of Mastodon and other Fedi services that individuals get choice in what they want to see and interact with? I’m not saying that Bluesky has made good choices here, but what impact will this make other than stopping people interacting with ordinary Bluesky users via gateways? Or are you saying that everyone on Bluesky supports the current US regime (which is probably fair enough to say about Truth Social for example) and it is proactive protection of a server community from harassment? I’m genuinely curious as to why you’re promoting the nuclear option…
@FediTips What a dumb thing to do.
@FediTips I have seen a couple of these accounts, and blocked them.
@FediTips how do you unlink bridgesky? It allows you in even if you torched your bluesky account.
@FediTips
Ich frage mich, warum Mastodon erlaubt per Schnittstelle Inhalte von Bsky hier reinzufuddeln.
@FediTips Glad I never got around to making an account there.
@FediTips Part-founded by a known sociopath (Dorsey). Taken over when said sociopath decided he wanted to support something even more sociopathic (nostr) by cryptobros.
What a surprise that it has gone down the fascist path.
To quote CNN's Bill Maher on his latest editiorial on algorithm-based sites (don't forget, Bluesky is one of them):
"Ironically...the Bluesky Crowd hates me for calling them out on...their voluminous [BS]. They also will sometimes just print my critique of the left, because they want people to think I'm a conservative. You are f------ liars too."
@FediTips
Thanks for reminding me to disable my bridge.
@FediTips I knew it I closed my account before they came in! 🥴
@FediTips not surprised...it is made for money just the saame as twixer, so it had to go this way eventually. Thats why I was so sceptical when people praised it as it was not made for money by the same people...
bitte #Digitalcourage auch hier, gleich für alle Nutzer #BlueSky blockieren.
Und ja Ich weiß, das kann jeder Nutzer auch selber tun...
@FediTips probably also a sign of how bad X has gotten that they felt the need to. Despite owning a platform orders of magnitude bigger they aren't getting the reach they wanted. This is a sign that we can in fact fight back by leaving
People that jumped from X to BS are going to learn that they jumped from the Frying Pan to the Fire.
@FediTips i've bin away for a while but i love that you are still doing stuff to make the world a better place! helping people! keep going strong!
@FediTips When people ask: "Why did the Germans not rise up against Hitler when he started to abuse his power?" Well, this is exactly the question Bluesky should be asked right now.
we tried to warn people that bluesky is no different than twitter
@FediTips Oh look, it's what literally everyone said would happen... happening.
@FediTips In the end, the Fediverse will survive
@FediTips This is why I don't fuck with privately owned platforms, and neither should anyone else.
I’m not on blue sky… and never will be!!
@FediTips damnit! I was considering re-federating with Bridgy because of how cool the Blacksky and Northsky projects are, but I can't expose our instance to this fucking shit... Ditto Jay's recent behaviour.
@FediTips So disappointing
@FediTips We all told so many of our friends that went to blue sky, that this is what would happen to it, and it would happen after they established roots there and make it harder for them to leave. The entire purpose was to make it harder for Democrats to aggregate..
#BlueSky
#Twitter
#Fascist
#Mastodon
@FediTips Hopefully they're nowhere on Sub Stack.
@FediTips
My surprised face.
😐
@FediTips Wow. Who'd a thunk it?
@FediTips It's called freedom of speech. Nobody is forced to follow these accounts. I certainly won't. Let's not mix technology (hosting, federation) with ideology.
"Nobody is forced to follow these accounts"
You are totally missing the point, here is an explanation why: https://social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/112581263140051643
@FediTips #Esperanto: Bluesky ĵus komencis oficiale gastigi kaj kontroli dekduojn da kontoj de la reĝimo de Trump inkluzive de la Whitehouse, Homeland Security/ICE, la Militministerio ktp (cyberplace.social/@GossiTheDog...).
*Ĉiuj* ĉi tiuj kontoj disvastigas bigotecon, malamon kaj danĝerajn mensogojn pri vundeblaj grupoj.
NE sufiĉas nur "bloki kaj forgesi", jen kial: social.chinwag.org/@FediThing/...
Bluesky iras laŭ la sama vojo kiel Twitter/X.
i only liked it for blacksky anyway.
@FediTips I share your sentiments about this administration. Words can't overstate how much damage they've done and will continue to do... but what was it you think Bluesky was supposed to do here?
@FediTips That's why I'll never have another account in a cesspool. Fuck #Bluesky. Remember that fuckbag #JackDorsey launched it. NONE of these tech bro scumbags can be trusted.
@FediTips And people are surprised by this? Wasn't Bluesky founded by the same dude who made Twitter? The same guy who sold it to Elon Muskrat? Why are we surprised that the exact same sh!t is happening again? People really thought it was going to be different this time, and they were fools for believing it.
@FediTips
Took longer than I thought it would but we all knew that it would indeed happen.
@FediTips boicotto social statunitensi
@FediTips
I think #FediAdmin should know this...
@FediTips It's very sad how a social network with potential is, literally, becoming Twitter 2.0.
At this point, it seems they want to get away the unexpected audience that they've got, so that they could go on with their plans of implementing blockchain and similar things to it.
Because they know that they can't profit from that audience, so they have to get it away from there and implement their crypto stuff.
And that's pretty darn f**ked.
It is going down the same path as Twitter/X.
Totally predictable. I really wonder who's surprised.
@FediTips good thing i de-bridged off of there
Quick reminder, please, how to make sure we see nothing from BlueSky...
@FediTips fediblocked Bluesky on my instance.
But I thought it would be better *this* time! How could this have happened?!
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