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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social  ·  activity timestamp last week

Dear Fedi friends,

I'd like to put together a list of people who are publicly resisting / calling out LLMs and AI slop.

Why? I enjoy reading my Fediverse feed in topical lists and I need something to counteract the unrelenting AI hype I see in the media.

Do you have any recommendations?

So far, at the top of my list I have:

@timnitGebru @emilymbender and @alexhanna of @DAIR

plus @cwebber @jaredwhite and @tante

Anyone else to recommend who advocates for #NoAI?

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Johannes Link
@jlink@det.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena I’d put myself on the list, giving regular talks and presentations at conferences and user groups.

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DonCC
@DonChacale@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante
am not in any way connected to work that involved #NoAI but i am and try to vocalize my vehement #FUCKAI vibes

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J. R. DePriest :verified_trans: :donor: :Moopsy: :EA DATA. SF:
@jrdepriest@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena

I hate LLM powered genAI because of how it was developed, why it was released, and how much environmental damage it causes. I hate the racism, sexism, and classism built into it. I hate how much the people funding it and championing it deride and belittle human creativity. I hate how they humanize a statistical token prediction engine while simultaneously demuhanizing actual people.

Other types of "AI" are not burdened with the same existential baggage even if they are used for the same types of war crimes. Machine learning, expert systems, neutral networks, all that other "AI" didn't take exploitation to the same level genAI has. They were always biased. That's documented. But the scale and the speed of genAI, the money being burned just as much as the fossil field, is almost unprecedented. Bitcoin and NFTs couldn't do it, but this bubble just might accelerate us over enough climate tipping points that we kill ourselves and 90% of the rest of all life. We are an extinction level event thanks to genAI.

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Niels Abildgaard
@nielsa@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp 6 days ago

@_elena Hi, I do that.

But also @glyph, @baldur and @tante are some of my top recs (other than the ones you mentioned) these days.

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Crovanian
@Crovanian@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago

@_elena I’m anti LLM, but I’d hardly consider myself worth listening to…

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webhat
@webhat@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp 7 days ago

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante you should add to the list @crowgirl

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Jan Lehnardt :couchdb:
@janl@narrativ.es replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena o/

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Jonathan Schofield
@urlyman@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

@baldur is great on software in general and a cogent critic of LLMadness

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Dr Keith Wilson 💭
@keithwilson@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena 👋

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Viss
@Viss@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante if you search my posts for 'so ai is going great' i post a ton of horror stories

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Petra van Cronenburg
@NatureMC@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena especially for the environment but also other aspects connected to that: @gerrymcgovern who also wrote this book: https://gerrymcgovern.com/books/99th-day/

#LLM #AI #NoAI #AISlop

Gerry McGovern

99th Day: A Warning About Technology

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Axel
@axel@hsnl.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante @finestructure

How can a writer not be non-public?
Great story against LLMs:

https://sightlessscribbles.com/the-colonization-of-confidence/

The Colonization of Confidence., Sightless Scribbles

A fabulously gay blind author.
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Dimitri Bouniol
@dimitribouniol@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I publicly crash out against it about once a month if that’s your cup of tea 🤣

https://mastodon.social/@dimitribouniol/116210058595372593

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Rodolphe
@rodolphe31@mastodon.tetaneutral.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena The Author of "Resisting AI" @danmcquillan

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@rodolphe31 @danmcquillan thank you! added Dan to my "AI Resistance" list :)

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💡𝚂𝗆𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗆𝖺𝗇 𝙰𝗉𝗉𝗌📱
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @mapache
And @davidrevoy if no-one else has said that yet

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💡𝚂𝗆𝖺𝗋𝗍𝗆𝖺𝗇 𝙰𝗉𝗉𝗌📱
@SmartmanApps@dotnet.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @mapache
Me, when the occasion arises 😄 A sampling...
https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/114929904096819843 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/115250704462263715 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/115901366483721125 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116000100388648367 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116192364719763321 https://dotnet.social/@SmartmanApps/116207919954310753

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Tim Bray
@timbray@cosocial.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena KarlBode@masto.ai

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Dr. Adam Steer
@adamsteer@mapstodon.space replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

me :)

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Derick Rethans
@derickr@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I'm not really pushing it with lots of written text, but I am going to put the fox among the chickens in a closing keynote I'm giving on Friday.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@derickr 🙌🙌🙌

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Anomnomnomaly BSC SSC
@Anomnomnomaly@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

I do not post, follow those who do, nor boost slop.

I'm about to exit the tech industry after almost 30yrs because it's gone to utter dogshit... I've seen behind the curtains and I understand what they do with the data they collect... I try to discourage everyone from using any corpo owned platform... not just AI ones.

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Internet Rando
@mousey@mastodon.seattlematrix.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

I'm just a random person on the fediverse, but I, too, am against stochastic parrots automating Dunning-Kruger syndrome at the cost of culture and ecology!

Also you should add @davidrevoy

I don't know him either, but his #pepperandcarrot webcomic is making hilariously short work of the token pachinko fraud festival currently gripping markets.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@mousey thank you! indeed David is a gem. I've added him to my list :)

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Leonieke
@leonieke@squilla.vitaulium.eu replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Would you be willing to share your list? :-)

#NoAI

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Mastodon Migration
@mastodonmigration@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

RE: https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/116206874904164848

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

I'm sure you have seen this thread, and apologies if someone else has mentioned it here...

https://mastodon.online/@Gargron@mastodon.social/116206875533187784

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@mastodonmigration yes, thank you! I had seen it and indeed I've added Eugen to my "AI Resistance" list 🙏

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Eric Lawton
@EricLawton@kolektiva.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

We could encourage people to use a consistent hashtag to anchor a community.

Your #NoAI is fine, if read as "there is no AI"

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Penguin Rebellion
@penguinrebellion@tldr.nettime.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

Besides the accounts already mentioned, this on might be interesting:

@asrg "The Algorithmic Sabotage Research Group (ASRG) is a conspiratorial, practice-led research framework focused on the intersection of culture, politics, and technology."

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Scale Theory
@SCALETHEORY@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

Just about everyone with a brain, WE all hope. Most can tell those pushing the slop are extremely irresponsible.

It's how dystopian movies begin repeating dystopian history

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theTangent.Space
@theTangentSpace@mathstodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @baldur @danmcquillan both good follows on this

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CleoQc
@CleoQc@cosocial.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

@crowgirl from https://stopgenai.com/

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@CleoQc thank you! added @crowgirl to my "AI Resistance" list

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Jenica Lake
@MamaLake@beige.party replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena me! I believe in the human led Renaissance occurring now #noAi

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David Peach 🍑
@peach@phpc.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante me to Elena. I feel like I'm actively swatting the "use ai now" flies. Would love to be kept in the loop of #NoAi

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The Nexus of Privacy
@thenexusofprivacy@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

A few more that leap to mind: @ali, who runs the AI Skeptics Reading Group, and @danmcquillan, author of Resisting AI.

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Jon
@jdp23@neuromatch.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

And also @olivia and @Iris, who are organizing a summer school on Critical AI Literacies

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kappazeta
@kappazeta@mastodon.bida.im replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena putting humility aside, I can recommend myself as researcher and hacktivist, as a founding member of the collective Socialini.it (digital literacy workshops) and as the author of "Scritture digitali. Dai social media all'IA e all'editing genetico" (Meltemi, 2025), and as the translator of the Italian edition of "The AI Con" by @emilymbender and @alex which is going to be published on March 17 as "L'inganno dell'intelligenza artificiale. Come difenderci da Big Tech e costruire il futuro che vogliamo" (Fazi Editore). 🙂

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@kappazeta assolutamente!!! ti ho appena messo sulla mia lista "AI resistance"

e congratulazioni per la traduzione del libro e per tutto il tuo lavoro wow!!!

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Disisdeguey🔻Pavlichenko🇵🇸
@disisdeguey@expressional.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante
👉 @tunubesecamirio

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F. Maury ⏚
@x_cli@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena
I suppose quitting my job over it yesterday and being quite vocal about it, especially over the last two days could qualify me 😅 I have a history of being actively anti-AI to the point of writing my transcripts and timecode them by hand 🫠

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@x_cli absolutely! added you to my list and I hope that you will find a great new job soon 🙏

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F. Maury ⏚
@x_cli@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena
Thank you ❤️

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Anthony
@abucci@buc.ci replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

Hi! I’d like to nominate myself for your list. I’m not nearly as high-profile as many of the folks that you mentioned or who are being recommended, but I am a practicing computer scientist trained in AI, and I have managed to go viral on LinkedIn with my criticism of AI a few times (haha). I post pretty regularly on the fediverse about AI, usually critically though sometimes "philosophically" or politically.

Some blog posts:

  • The failscene
  • Another AI Hype Cycle
  • Word calculators don't add up
Some fediverse posts:
  • AI as “anti imagination”
  • The problem of thinking of everything as data
  • An automated scientist would be a random number generator
  • AI as eating your seed corn
I usually hashtag AI posts with #AI #GenAI #GenerativeAI especially to help anyone who wants to mute this stuff.

CC: @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @emilymbender@dair-community.social @alexhanna@peertube.dair-institute.org @DAIR@dair-community.social @cwebber@social.coop @jaredwhite@indieweb.social @tante@tldr.nettime.org

Anthony Bucci

Word calculators don't add up

Anthony Bucci's personal web site
Anthony Bucci

Another AI Hype Cycle

Anthony Bucci's personal web site
Anthony Bucci

The failscene

Anthony Bucci's personal web site
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Dave Slusher - Self-hosted
@geniodiabolico@mastodon.geniodiabolico.synology.me replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena May I nominate myself? I have been using the hashtag #AITeaParty for my efforts to not use it directly or indirectly. I've also blogged yesterday about my depressing experience in going to my first in person developer meeting in years.

https://evilgeniuschronicles.org/posts/2026/03/10/just-have-claude-code-it/

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zarel
@zarel@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Seems that Alex Hanna is more active at https://dair-community.social/@alex

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@zarel thank you!

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Zambunny
@Zambunny@livellosegreto.it replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Has anyone linked @kenobit ?

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John Breen
@jab01701mid@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I don't want you to follow me, but I call out and resist "LLM AI" and related intellectual informational slop.
- It solves no problem I have
- It is a glorified search engine, not intelligence
- Pattern matching is not intelligence, ML can be good, but trust it with your life at your peril.
- All software is "Artificial Intelligence"

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Thomas Schoffelen
@thomas@schoffelen.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena It’s funny, I only really see people who are intensely hardline anti-AI on Mastodon, and only enthusiastic shortsighted AI bros on LinkedIn. Where’s the sensible center? (or people that don’t talk about AI at all, even better!)

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yoasif
@yoasif@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I have been posting about this topic -- see https://www.quippd.com/writing/2025/12/17/AIs-unpaid-debt-how-llm-scrapers-destroy-the-social-contract-of-open-source.html for a sample.

Also boost stuff I see. 🙂

Youssuff Quips

AI’s Unpaid Debt: How LLM Scrapers Destroy the Social Contract of Open Source

TL;DR: The big tech AI company LLMs have gobbled up all of our data, but the damage they have done to open source and free culture communities are particularly insidious. By taking advantage of those who share freely, they destroy the bargain that made free software spread like wildfire.
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Alex, the Hearth Fire
@WizardOfDocs@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I complain a lot about being forced to use LLMs at work
@jacel even more so
Not sure if that's what you're looking for, but we're here too

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tlariv@mastodon.cloud
@tlariv@mastodon.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

They don't seem to be very active in the fedi, but @randomwalker and @sayashk are Princeton computer scientists who cowrote the excellent book AI Snake Oil and now and now maintain https://www.normaltech.ai/p/ai-as-normal-technology

@timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

AI as Normal Technology

A new paper that we will expand into our next book
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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@tlariv thank you for the excellent recommendations! following them now and I really want to read their book

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Em :official_verified:
@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @DAIR 🙋‍♀️ If that helps, I was quoted in this article calling AI the archenemesis of data privacy: https://arstechnica.com/security/2026/01/signal-creator-moxie-marlinspike-wants-to-do-for-ai-what-he-did-for-messaging/

'Data privacy expert Em (she keeps her last name off the Internet) called AI assistants the “archnemesis” of data privacy because their utility relies on assembling massive amounts of data from myriad sources, including individuals.

“AI models are inherent data collectors,” she told Ars. “They rely on large data collection for training, improvements, operations, and customizations. More often than not, this data is collected without clear and informed consent (from unknowing training subjects or from platform users), and is sent to and accessed by a private company with many incentives to share and monetize this data.”'

Ars Technica

Signal creator Moxie Marlinspike wants to do for AI what he did for messaging

Introducing Confer, an end-to-end AI assistant that just works.
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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Em0nM4stodon such an eloquent critique Em!

And yes I've added you to my list of AI Resistance 🤗

@DAIR

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Em :official_verified:
@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Thank you Elena no_ai 🤗

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Em :official_verified:
@Em0nM4stodon@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Here's another public statement I made: https://infosec.exchange/@Em0nM4stodon/116109826119332018

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Leo Schuldiner🤘🏼
@leoschuldiner23@linernotes.club replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Over here! I'm migrating to @leoschuldiner23@beige.party so, be my guest 😊 #NoAI (and as a musician, especially in music industry). Cheers from Chile!

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@leoschuldiner23@linernotes.club yay 🙏 @leoschuldiner23@beige.party

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grosser_mensch
@grosser_mensch@norden.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante He’s not in the Fediverse I think but I love his takes on all stories AI: https://pivot-to-ai.com/rss/

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rowmyboat
@rowmyboat@glammr.us replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I do, in a very my corner of the world, which is academic libraries, kind of way. Snark, mostly, but also the occasional academic journal article or presentation.

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Darby M. Dixon III
@darby3@zirk.us replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena doing what i can

https://ai-sucks-actually.fyi/

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@darby3 excellent, thank you! and you're on my AI Resistance list now :)

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Darby M. Dixon III
@darby3@zirk.us replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena doing what i can

https://ai-sucks-actually.fyi/

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AstroHyde
@AstroHyde@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I think everyone I follow is #NoAI lol, I went from teaching data sci and physics to teaching how to circumvent/remove #LLMs in data sci and physics... it's tough for the kids trying to learn through this slop 🙃 One thing I think helps a bit is to specify when dragging #LLM_AI vs #DecisionTree_AI #NeuralNet_AI or #Statistical_AI etc. Alot of phys/ data sci here uses #AI as a catchall for all of #datascience including #MachineLearning so it can get confusing (is likely meant to be lol).

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heuveltop
@heuveltop@social.vivaldi.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

I would like to mention @Felienne to you.

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Wouter Tebbens ⁂
@Wtebbens@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Add Aurora @tunubesecamirio - she is an amazing activist and public speaker with profound crutucism on AI for ecosocial reasons.

The name of their activist project, Tu Nube Seca Mi Rio, is so wellchosen, so visual for the damage these hyperscalers are making. Worth checking a translator for, careful with the LLMs though ;-)

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Wtebbens thank you Wouter for the great recommendation! I actually understand Spanish quite well (I'd say 70%) because it's so close to Italian... the phrase "tu nube seca mi río" is so poetic. Following now!

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esplovago :tux:
@esplovago@mastodon.uno replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante from your list @danmcquillan is missing :)

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sknob
@sknob@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena in French, there’s the formidable @flomaraninchi !

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@sknob merci !!! @flomaraninchi

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Florence Maraninchi
@flomaraninchi@pouet.chapril.org replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

Bienvenue !

@sknob

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@707Kat@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @anthony is a must as well. https://anthonymoser.github.io/writing/ai/haterdom/2025/08/26/i-am-an-ai-hater.html

moser’s frame shop

I Am An AI Hater

I am an AI hater. This is considered rude, but I do not care, because I am a hater.
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@707Kat@mastodon.art replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena And @Gargron has been very outspoken about LLMs too. https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/116207239929253738

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@koantig@mamot.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

Also @danmcquillan of course.
@flomaraninchi , @Khrys

(And my bio makes it clear what side I'm on)

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@koantig thank you for the excellent recommendations! (and for being part of the resistance) 🙏

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@GroupNebula563@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante not sure if this counts, but I am adamantly #NoAI! all of my videos on @groupnebula563@cuddly.tube are proudly AI-free and my https://hit-counter.net project won’t provide counters to sites containing AI content! :)

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@madengineering@mastodon.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I'd like to recommend @pivot-to-ai.com pivot to ai and is incomparable author, @davidgerard

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@madengineering thank you! so many people have recommended @davidgerard - I've added him to my "AI Resistance" list and I've subscribed to his podcast 🙏

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@nenon@masto.euroburners.eu replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@susankayequinn

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@susankayequinn@wandering.shop replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@nenon thanks for the tag!
@_elena I am fully on board with supporting those resisting AI (you've got a great list going!). I'm not a reporter or academic but I am a solarpunk writer, and AI has no place in a solarpunk future. 🔨

https://brightgreenfutures.substack.com/p/solarpunk-dont-need-no-ai

(I wish @bcmerchant.bsky.social were on Masto, but I highly recommend subscribing to his newsletter and of course his book BLOOD IN THE MACHINE)

Solarpunk Don't Need No AI

You Can't Build a Better World Based on Theft Today
Destroy AI
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@susankayequinn @nenon thank you Sue!

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@gonzalo@neopaquita.es replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena some great accounts(mainly in Spanish) are @tunubesecamirio @criticalswitch @arteesetica @ana_valdi

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@cwebber@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I would clarify also that I am not quite #NoAI in terms of AI tech, but I am definitely opposed to the *AI industry* and this hype wave. There may be various useful things from this tech, but the net version of things with it being forced upon society right now in this hype wave is that everything is getting much worse, and sickeningly so.

Several more pieces need to be added to the puzzle to make "AI" tech more useful, and I'm also simply opposed to a direction in society that dismisses and devalues creative endeavors, which a lot of this hype is putting at the center of itself. Creativity is what makes life largely worthwhile. I'm not willing to give that up.

I have no problem with OpenImageDenoiser in Blender, which speeds up renders through machine learning, and in no way devalues creativity. But something which made it so I just typed a few words into Blender and it did all my artwork for me, I would oppose.

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber thank you for that nuanced explanation Christine! I am 1000% aligned with you.

Of course I'm all for technology helping with medical breakthroughs, but I oppose the pillaging of creative output without consent, the erosion of critical thinking and the mass surveillance facilitated by these initiatives (amongst other things)...

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@Eeveecraft@dragonscave.space replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

This is why it's so important to specify things like generative-AI. AI on its own is a meaningless nothing-word with how much it's shoved in everywhere and anywhere. Yeah, faster denoising with machine learning is great! But a slop machine that pollutes the environment and steals people's jobs and work for the purpose of deceiving others for capitalistic gain? Not so great.

I love the AI that detects cancers better than doctors can, I love the AIs that automatically remove pauses from audio recordings, and I love the AI that automates boring, tedious sh!t that humans hate doing such as spreadsheet organizing. I just fucking hate generative-AI specifically.

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@trisschen@plural.cafe replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Eeveecraft @cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

That 'help detect cancer better' doesn’t actually work all that well though, as it worsens doctors’ ability to detect/confirm cancer, gets worse over time as it can’t adapt to subtle outside changes, and has huge issues with biases. So while it might be slightly better for the standard-case of an average white man, it’s worse for everyone else.

Also at least your 'remove pause from audio' example sounds way more suited for relatively simple algorithms than statistical models to me.

(I do agree though that there are some cases where things that would be called 'AI' nowadays can actually be good)

Uses and limitations of artificial intelligence for oncology - PMC
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Modern artificial intelligence (AI) tools built on high-dimensional patient data are reshaping oncology care, helping to improve goal concordant care, decrease cancer mortality rates, and increase workflow efficiency and scope of care. However, data ...
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Using AI Made Doctors Worse at Spotting Cancer Without Assistance

A new study offers the latest evidence of potential “deskilling” effects on AI users.
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@poleguy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

I have been appreciating your well considered takes!

I hate the AI hype. The bubble is bad. The effects on creative work and the environment is depressing.

But I am not looking for strict #NoAI content, but well reasoned and researched critical content. As an Electrical Engineer my interest is in understanding the state of the art. I can't learn this from those who refuse to look behind the veil.

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@poleguy thank you for these thoughts. I saw this floating around in the discussion: do you think the hashtag AIcritic would be more appropriate?

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@poleguy@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Maybe. I'm afraid we are in a very divisive world...

Republicans vs Democrats, Linux vs Windows, Android vs iOS, Packers vs Bears, Catholic vs Protestant, US vs China, Choice vs Abortion, Immigrant vs ICE, you name it... we pick a side, we find a cult leader to follow and we blindly glom on. Our side becomes the good side, the other side becomes the evil side.

Then we comfortably memorize 15 second talking points from endless tik-tok reels.

And we retreat into our bubbles. Sad. :-(

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@cwebber@social.coop replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante I also just add a little assertion that one other thing I hate about this moment of "AI" is that the field of "AI" has had many interesting branches in it, and now we only talk about one (machine learning models) and I am deeply bitter about that.

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@outer@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante Yes. There's TONS of very valuable, and tons of essential AI in many sciences, including medicine, high-tech design, and applied maths.

Stealing and reselling copywrited writings and visual art is bullshit. Using hyped up hallucination to overheat the earth and enrich over-rich overlords is bullshit, too.

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@qurlyjoe@mstdn.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber
There are many scientific and technological realms where AI is able to massage large volumes of data quickly to find solutions to all kinds of problems. This is good. Using AI to make deepfake porn, not so much. If only there were a way to promote one without the other latching on.

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante

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@mensrea@freeradical.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@cwebber @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @jaredwhite @tante i've found myself moving back to using data science, ml, and algorithmic because ai functionally means llm-as-a-service at this point

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@mensrea@freeradical.zone replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena looks like @parismarx is missing

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@PaulaToThePeople@climatejustice.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

Shameless self-plug: You can add @PaulaToThePeople to the list. She hates AI with a passion, posts a lot under the hashtag #LLMMeAlone and moderates the only Fediverse instance I know of, where posting AI stuff is forbidden.

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@ki@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

good idea, added a respective hashtag to my bio

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@dzwiedziu@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena (I've allowed myself to cut the CC)
I'd add Ed Zitron (no known mastodon, IDK if his BS is bridged), yet his style is very… “raw”, yet to the point.

@aftermath.site and @404mediaco, but you probably already know (about) the individual creators.

IDK about Cory Doctorow with his late LLM usage confession with a preemptive rhetorical strike.

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@drewtowler@mas.to replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I'm a cloud app developer and I post from a fairly rabid anti-AI viewpoint sometimes - though whether that makes me recommendable I have no idea.

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@DataKnightmare@mastodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena also consider David Gerard @davidgerard (his wonderful Pivot to AI podcast is a gem)

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@DataKnightmare thanks! putting you both on my list 🙏

P.S.: your SUPERB podcast is really my favorite these days... I wish everyone spoke Italian so they could enjoy it 🥲

@davidgerard

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@DataKnightmare@mastodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

too kind! I did start an English version years ago, when the Big Thing was still techbros being techbros, but I had to suspend after just a few episodes, the production effort is not manageable. I keep wanting to return to it, though, in one form or another (mabe just publish the English script), especially when I touch a topic that is passing unnoticed.

Wait, I'm forgetting! I could *use AI* and have automated translations in 5 billion languages!
Or, like, not.

@davidgerard

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@DataKnightmare every time I listen to your SUPERB podcast I can't help but think about how the Fediverse would love your takes... and I wish there could be an English version.

But as a fellow creative I completely understand the time factor involved 🥲

@davidgerard

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@craigduncan@mastodon.au replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

There are many non celebrities (i.e ordinary folk without podcasts or books to promote) contributing to this discussion, probably disproportionately on Mastodon.

I started a #trojan_ai tag to locate examples of duplicitous AI promotion you can review as part of your enquiries.

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@DataKnightmare@mastodon.xyz replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena
Outside of academia, yours truly was likely one of the first ones.

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Franz Graf
@hikingdude@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena
That's difficult.
Aislop and hype are one side, there are good uses for it as well. So, just blaming LLMs feels like blaming a knife for murder.

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@brib@disabled.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I'm noisy enough about it to release a slopfree index and blog about it a bit, although I try (only semi-successfully) to balance out my feed with stuff that isn't AI

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@glamcode@openbiblio.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I have a “Critical AI reading list” on Mastodon that contains among others and among the ones you listed:

- @baldur
- @RainerMuehlhoff
- @Weizenbaum_Institut
- @olivia
- @quinta
- @lapcatsoftware
- @dylan

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@lapcatsoftware@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@glamcode @_elena Don’t read me! I don’t even pretend to be an expert. I just rant sometimes. ;-)

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@fasterandworse@hci.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @zzt @davidgerard @froztbyte @kimcrawley / @crowgirl

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@onepict@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena We also have projects that are explicitly not accepting AI like @gentoo .

We also have folk like @xgranade who is working on a fork of calibre. Which I am very grateful for.

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@esi@merveilles.town replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena You might want to check out @rysiek and his blog at https://rys.io/en/index.html

Songs on the Security of Networks

a blog by Michał "rysiek" Woźniak
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@Standard_Phil@infosec.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante Anil Dash @anildash belongs on your list, I think.

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@anildash@me.dm replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@Standard_Phil @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante I think they’re all real researchers, I’m just a commentator here.

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@MichelPatrice@jasette.facil.services replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

I came across a cool humoristic method of resistance, see the For Ai Only section :
https://www.davidrevoy.com/article1124/new-rss-feeds-landing

David Revoy

New RSS Feeds Landing

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@onepict@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @WeirdWriter wrote two great Anti LLM posts, from the point of view as a writer and what it's doing to his community, if you want something that's outside commentary on this. Have tissues, you will cry from the beauty and care after getting angry.

https://sightlessscribbles.com/the-colonization-of-confidence/
https://sightlessscribbles.com/posts/the's-bookstore-hope/

The Colonization of Confidence., Sightless Scribbles

A fabulously gay blind author.
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@hwll@sunny.garden replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@onepict @_elena @WeirdWriter well I'm fucking crying. Really damn good story, the first one. (Would read the second but I have to dry my cheeks and go to work, whew!)

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@onepict @WeirdWriter thank you for the great recommendation!

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@onepict@chaos.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I should also toot my own horn ☺️:

https://dotart.blog/cobbles/ai-and-that-guy-at-the-bar

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@kawunngg@mastoart.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena

I feel like artists like @davidrevoy should be on the list too :)

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@efialto@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante On Spanish @arteesetica @tunubesecamirio

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@arteesetica@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@efialto @_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante @tunubesecamirio muchas gracias Rodrigo 😊

@_elena I will also suggest the account of @niasoler (our representative in Spain) also @milamiceli and her work about Data Workers in AI http://data-workers.org/

also @AlgoRace is here too

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@PeterSommerlad@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

me?

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@davidgerard@circumstances.run replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante also @kimcrawley of https://stopgenai.com

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@trezzer@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Here's an article you'll probably, enjoy, though, even if it's in Danish (but I know you know your way around that 😉 ) https://videnskab.dk/kultur-samfund/ai-i-valgkampen-hjaelper-det-kandidater-eller-skraemmer-det-vaelgerne-vaek/

Videnskab.dk

AI i valgkampen: Hjælper det kandidater, eller skræmmer det vælgerne væk?

Når politikere bruger kunstig intelligens, kan det svække deres troværdighed og skabe større afstand til vælgerne.
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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@trezzer thank you, I really appreciate!

I need to go pick up my little one from daycare but I will read it ASAP (just saved it to my Linkwarden) 🤗

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@konform@techhub.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena https://shrimp.starlightnet.work/@the/posts/ajkajgdut0e60njf

Iceshrimp.Frontend

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@konform thank you!

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@argue_right875@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena how to create topical feed?

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@argue_right875 as usual, @FediTips to the rescue: https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-the-lists-feature-on-mastodon/

https://fedi.tips

How to use the Lists feature on Mastodon

An unofficial guide to using Mastodon and the Fediverse
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@jan@social.dytrych.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena regarding LLMs, it's crazy from developers' perspective. BIG tech is pushing LLMs hard to developers, saying you'll lose job or will be paid less if not using LLMs. That's what they are pushing, my colleague did even said "If you're not going to use it, you'll lose job or will be paid more." My boss doesn't like to use LLM for development, so far so good, but there is huge push and pressure towards it.

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@robotistry@mstdn.ca replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@jan @_elena Waiting for the rise of artisanal coding, when people who code without LLMs are paid extra money to provide customized, reliable code.

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@jan ouf that's rough. I personally know a lot of people in this space - here in France - and it's really rough out there. Not to mention the collapsing valuation of most software start-ups since early 2025 (US politics + Claude + geopolitical tensions = lethal mix)

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@jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Film idea: "Back to the roots". They meet in secret. In coding dojos. They write code by hand. They have ancient books, real books, printed, with names like "Assembly Guide for the x86 ISA", "High Performance Python" that are sacred bibles of ancient knowledge. Follow our hero as she goes from LLM withdrawal to changing the world with hand-written code that frees the minds of millions. @jan

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@jwildeboer haha I LOVE this! 🥰

also adding you to the list of course!

@jan

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@CKL@ioc.exchange replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @jwildeboer @jan
I had the very same idea for such a story as well, although apparently vi is out of scope now
https://ioc.exchange/@CKL/116161896679343123

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@jan@social.dytrych.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena yes, it will be very rough few years. Will see how that goes. This will make us developers dump and highly dependent to LLMs in cloud owned by some company in US.

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@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@jan 🫂

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@jan@social.dytrych.cloud replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena thank you! 🙂

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@offgpt@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante

I collect evidence that LLMs need to be run in a Fediverse Like Structure, how its destructive in the hands of few, since months, everyday 😊 Thanks for the list btw :)

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mirek kratochvil
@exa@mastodon.online replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena protip: promote use of #slop instead of #NoAI

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@onepunchmango@radikal.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena
@pluralistic is absolutely essential. @eff and @openrightsgroup also do great work.

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Romuald
@romuald@piaille.fr replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena Pas immédiatement l’IA, mais sur la matérialité du numérique et des centres de données il y a @lenuageetaitsousnospieds et @tunubesecamirio . @Aepasek a publié une très bonne brochure sur comment résister aux datacenters, et sur la géopolitique du numérique je ne peux que conseiller le livre de @opheliecoelho ! @dataforgood fait du bon boulot également 👍

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Anne Pasek
@Aepasek@scholar.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@romuald @_elena @lenuageetaitsousnospieds @tunubesecamirio @opheliecoelho @dataforgood

merci!

Si un veux le lire: https://emmlab.info/Resources_page/Lutter%20contre%20les%20data%20centers.pdf

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@romuald merci pour ces excellentes recommandations!!! @lenuageetaitsousnospieds @tunubesecamirio @Aepasek @opheliecoelho @dataforgood

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Ivo Limmen
@ivolimmen@toot.community replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @timnitGebru @emilymbender @alexhanna @DAIR @cwebber @jaredwhite @tante 🙋‍♂️

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Wesley Moore
@wezm@mastodon.decentralised.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena see @db @davidgerard @soph

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@wezm thank you! @db @davidgerard @soph

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Andy Carolan :prami:
@andycarolan@social.lol replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena While I don't feel that I belong on such a list, I resist as much and as often as I can.

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Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden)
@trezzer@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena I wish we'd have CW for both sides, because I really don't want to hear more from either. Enough has been said to make up minds, and now it just seems like an infinite echo that is slowly driving me mad.

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@trezzer understood. Sorry I should have put my post behind a CW (too late now) 🥲

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Trezzer (aka Helvedeshunden)
@trezzer@social.linux.pizza replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena No worries. It only helps if it becomes a norm anyway, and I think others will appreciate what you are doing. <3

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Elena Rossini ⁂
@_elena@mastodon.social replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@trezzer I feel really bad because I use CW super frequently.

Sorry it didn't occur to me for this post but I will use CW from now on...

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George B
@gbargoud@masto.nyc replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@_elena @trezzer

The #NoAI tag is common enough that it's a good candidate for setting up a filter to turn any post with that tag into a CW post.

I'm a fan of standard tags instead of CWs for things that are not violent or sexual but a decent sized group would want to hide since they give people the power to control their own timelines more effectively.

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🌼 Dagnabbit, Pascaline! 🌼
@pascaline@mastodon.nl replied  ·  activity timestamp last week

@gbargoud

Same!
I also use content warnings when I answer to a 'puzzle' to not give away the answer 😀

And then: as a teacher of Adobe software, I usually start the first classes with 'We won't be using AI, what's more: I will show you how to hide all their AI options. You can make them visible again once you have enough skills and knowledge to evaluate their results. You need to learn how to do it first, before you let AI do this automatically."

Teaching people skills: 💗

@_elena @trezzer

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